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Old 03-22-2012, 02:20 PM   Thread Starter #1
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Default Are These True: Maxima Myths

Okay, so I've gotten a lot of flak from family members and friends for wanting to mod the max. " oh it's just a maxima why waste your time it's a Nissan, etc etc".

So apparently the head BOCES mechanic had some input to give when I told him of mods, and Uriel mods. So my6, help me out:


MYTH #1: installing a CAI actually decreases performance due to sucking in hot air from the engine bay.

MYTH #2: Adding a rear and a front strut bar eliminates body roll and is not good for the car; could cause a fishtail or stiffer turns and decrease performance.


MYTH #3: If you install the K and N replacement lifetime filter; you're not going to get any better performance vs. CAI. His argument is that the stock air box forces air into the filter and "Nissan paid millions of dollars in engineering why change what's correct yada yada"



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Okay, so I've gotten a lot of flak from family members and friends for wanting to mod the max. " oh it's just a maxima why waste your time it's a Nissan, etc etc".

So apparently the head BOCES mechanic had some input to give when I told him of mods, and Uriel mods. So my6, help me out:


MYTH #1: installing a CAI actually decreases performance due to sucking in hot air from the engine bay.

MYTH #2: Adding a rear and a front strut bar eliminates body roll and is not good for the car; could cause a fishtail or stiffer turns and decrease performance.


MYTH #3: If you install the K and N replacement lifetime filter; you're not going to get any better performance vs. CAI. His argument is that the stock air box forces air into the filter and "Nissan paid millions of dollars in engineering why change what's correct yada yada"



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#1 - Wrong. increases power. cold air intakes suck in cooler less dense air, creating more power.

#2 - it does eliminate body roll, but that HELPS suspension and keeps you gripping the road.

#3 - wrong. CAI's force in MORE air, increasing volume. that also tells the engine to spit more fuel giving you more power due to the air/fuel ratio.
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#1 could be true if its setup as a short ram. I have a Fujita set up as a SR and with my CVT I did notice a little loss to the low end compared to stock.
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Okay, so I've gotten a lot of flak from family members and friends for wanting to mod the max. " oh it's just a maxima why waste your time it's a Nissan, etc etc".

So apparently the head BOCES mechanic had some input to give when I told him of mods, and Uriel mods. So my6, help me out:


MYTH #1: installing a CAI actually decreases performance due to sucking in hot air from the engine bay.

CAI's you lose a little LOW-END but gain TOP-END. It may feel slower because you are soo used to that quick low-end. I prefer a CAI. So it's not like a TRUE LOSS. It's more of a "THIS FOR THAT" deal. Check the dyno sheets on CAI's around the forum.

MYTH #2: Adding a rear and a front strut bar eliminates body roll and is not good for the car; could cause a fishtail or stiffer turns and decrease performance.

This is absolutely DUMB! All I can say on that. Maybe another member will go into detail.


MYTH #3: If you install the K and N replacement lifetime filter; you're not going to get any better performance vs. CAI. His argument is that the stock air box forces air into the filter and "Nissan paid millions of dollars in engineering why change what's correct yada yada"

Do you think K&N would still be business if this were true?



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Default Re: Are These True: Maxima Myths

@Nismo4Life07 I totally agree man, but when I say that to him he just disregards what I say claiming that a CAI's proximity to the engine bay makes it suck in the hot air. And I'm also with you on the strut, as I have this installed as well. Maybe he's finicky and likes things stock but he was adamant about this stock Nissan air box "forcing air" and being just as high performance as a CAI
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Default Re: Are These True: Maxima Myths

#1 don't discuss what you want to do to your Maxima with them. Modification is a hobby and is not for everyone. Doesn't mean its the ultimate car but personalized just for you. A few performance mods can easily keep your car up to speed with some newer cars with more HP.
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#1 - Wrong. increases power. cold air intakes suck in cooler less dense air, creating more power.

#2 - it does eliminate body roll, but that HELPS suspension and keeps you gripping the road.

#3 - wrong. CAI's force in MORE air, increasing volume. that also tells the engine to spit more fuel giving you more power due to the air/fuel ratio.
Agreed.

In addition, it is cooler air, and cooler air is more dense, which translates to a more powerful combustion, etc. The real discussion is HOW MUCH increase you'll get.
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When it comes to the Cold Air Intake, that is categorically false. A Cold Air Intake is drawing air from the wheel well and bumper almost completely separated from the engine by sub frame and frame. Also it eliminates like 90% of the air track by eliminating the the resonator which kills any intake sounds. Yes Nissan "spent millions" developing the engine but they did it for the common masses, by developing the intake on a stock vehicle to be both efficient AND QUIET.

#2 The rear anti-roll bar being stiffened dials out the understeer in the car by stiffening the rear. It makes it more balanced and predictable, again Understeer is "safe" and Nissan... hell almost all manufacturers dial understeer into the stock suspension setup because it's easier for the common hamfisted driver to get out of understeer than oversteer. It doesn't cause you to fish tail anymore than a stock suspension setup unless you stiffen the springs and shocks to match, but from what I've researched no one makes a suspension kit that stiff for our cars.

#3 see above #1 Also K&N has been categorically proven to increase power just by using a drop in filter, because their filter designs are more efficient than your average FRAM $15 drop in you get at pep boys...
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Your mechanic sounds like a friend of mine and we JUST had this conversation this weekend. He believes that the car was designed and developed the best way by the manufactures, but if that was the case, why do a majority of cars have different trims.

The SE has a sportier suspension and the SL has a looser suspension. BMW has your regular 3 series and then it has a M series, and guess what changes the power, mods. Well they're not called that because the "manufactures" made them that way, it's only called modding when the consumer changes anything on the car.

Besides, who cares what he thinks, it your car, your money, and your happiness. Mod the car your liking.
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Survey says....Do what makes you happy! Your car. All answers have pretty much been given.
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Remember mechanics are regular people just like you. They can't possibly know the in's and out's of every single car. This is why we have forums dedicated in that aspect. They just go by there experiences which may not be applicable to our cars.
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This is true. Ive had people at tire shops tell me 20's wont fit on a Maxima. In their experience maybe not...
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This is true. Ive had people at tire shops tell me 20's wont fit on a Maxima. In their experience maybe not...
I hope you don't go there to get anything done to your wheels & tires.
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Stock air box doesn't go RAAAAR!!

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Technically the front air dam forces air in at high speed.
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Technically the front air dam forces air in at high speed.
But the CAI still pulls harder at highway speeds. ( I actually think it's more useful at launch)

@ Nismo4Life07 You said it!
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