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Old 08-26-2012, 10:15 AM   Thread Starter #1
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I finally broke down and bought some new wheels, they're not amazing, but nice, and the price was right (134 each m&b). New Potenza 245/45/R18 as well, but after leaving the shop, heard a little rub, so i pulled over to investigate. The felt inner fender well was the culprit, but man! the fender is close to the tire! The offset on these are 35 mm, and the backspacing 5.86". Anyone out there have thoughts on whether this will be a problem, and what to do? I emptied the backseat, and limped home lightly- hearing no further noise.[IMG]Click the image to open in full size.[/IMG]
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Are you lowered? Is it one side or both sides?
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Originally Posted by Staggered357 View Post
Are you lowered? Is it one side or both sides?
yes, sorry forgot to mention. Lowered on Progress springs. Both sides in the rear. Seems the bolted connection is the closest point- where the lower fascia and the rear quarter bolt together?
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I have the same thing. You have to modify where the bumper mounts to the rear quarter. Good luck.

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Old 08-26-2012, 11:04 AM   Thread Starter #5
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Originally Posted by latinismo View Post
I have the same thing. You have to modify where the bumper mounts to the rear quarter. Good luck.

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Modify? you mean bend and grind? is there a way to do it so its not "hack"?
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If the bumper is what's rubbing, hack I guess depends on how well you modify the edge...
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How is he rubbing on 18's with +35. I have 20's + 35 an not rubbing. An i am lowered.. Even with my stock 18's same tire size no rub. that is weird...
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I have 245/45/19' on progress springs with a sub and amp and don't rub. Only in the front
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Running 18x9 +20 offset on my setup. Base 370 wheels. Special circumstances, not sure for op.

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Is it possible maybe a blown strut would cause it to sag enough to rub...
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Originally Posted by latinismo View Post
If the bumper is what's rubbing, hack I guess depends on how well you modify the edge...
Right, point taken. I guess i meant, is it bending the bolted tang up or down, in addition to grinding some- or just bending? I'll be sure to cover with some cold galv and paint- I dont need other problems
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Is it possible maybe a blown strut would cause it to sag enough to rub...
Funny you should say- i found an old thread for coilovers, and was considering them anyway... the JL Audio Stealthbox prolly isnt helping- but i had no problems before? I'll put it up tonight and check; oil seepage the way to tell if its blown??
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How is he rubbing on 18's with +35. I have 20's + 35 an not rubbing. An i am lowered.. Even with my stock 18's same tire size no rub. that is weird...
In my initial post i noted that its the felt inner fender lining that rubs- specifically the area that covers the bolted connection (rear fascia and rear qtr). I grew increasingly concerned (ok a little OCD) that under full travel, I might cut the tire. Short of jumping up and down on the ass end, I dont know how to verify it wont rub under full travel.
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Originally Posted by Lulzz View Post
I have 245/45/19' on progress springs with a sub and amp and don't rub. Only in the front
Same here- JL Audio Stealthbox, Progress springs. Maybe its time to look into those coilovers?
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For the tab I ground it down to just the shape of the bolt and to the inside of the bumper mount. I left about an 1/8th of an inch. I plan on using a dremel to smooth it out a little more and then sane and coat with something to prevent rust.

I just did this though and drove much longer with rubbing occurring on normal bumps do to the extreme offset I had. I think that with the rotation of the tire and the angle of the mount the rubbing should hopefully not cut the tire as more wear it down on full travel which is usually less likely to occur thought still possible.

As for the struts I would look for either oil or simply undo the top bolts with the car lifted and see how quickly the shock rises after depressing it. It is a fairly soft shock already.
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Originally Posted by Bill Grinley View Post
Same here- JL Audio Stealthbox, Progress springs. Maybe its time to look into those coilovers?
You should really check out suspension before you make any unnecessary mods to panels, etc. I can't imagine why you'd rub with an 18" running a 245, since that's stock size, unless you are REALLY heavy in the back. Similar others' upgrades, I've been on 19"x9" running a 275 in the rear, on Progress ...and no rub.

Was it a constant rub or just over bumps, etc?
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There are several factors that can play a role between one person rubbing and another not. Bill, what is the width of your wheel? Not sure if it was mentioned or not. Tire brand also plays a role, not all tires are created equal. Keeping the same size but switching brands, you may find that you have more or less room between the fenders as some brands run narrow, some true, and some wide.

Before you make any modifications, try completely removing the fender liner. Pull your car parallel to a driveway (with a sidewalk), then reverse and parallel park so one side of the car is going up the sidewalk and the other is still in the street. Have someone watch so they can tell you when the compression reaches a max. This way you'll be able to check for fender clearance and potentially test rubbing before you cut/shave any metal, you may just have to trim the fender liner.

Here's an example of how I check for clearance. I compress the rear suspension more as I go further up the sidewalk, which makes the wheel tuck into the fender. As far as I know, this should be exactly how your suspension compresses under normal driving conditions so it should simulate any conditions where you'd rub.
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Originally Posted by latinismo View Post
For the tab I ground it down to just the shape of the bolt and to the inside of the bumper mount. I left about an 1/8th of an inch. I plan on using a dremel to smooth it out a little more and then sane and coat with something to prevent rust.

I just did this though and drove much longer with rubbing occurring on normal bumps do to the extreme offset I had. I think that with the rotation of the tire and the angle of the mount the rubbing should hopefully not cut the tire as more wear it down on full travel which is usually less likely to occur thought still possible.

As for the struts I would look for either oil or simply undo the top bolts with the car lifted and see how quickly the shock rises after depressing it. It is a fairly soft shock already.
I raised the rear end and did the same to those tabs- I've at least got some confidence that i did all i could to create a wider margin- it was the inner fender felt initially, but the clearance when i put my fingers in there made me nervous about the proximity to the (brand new) tires.
Still not sure about the strut/spring/coilover/money thing...
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Originally Posted by Chemax View Post
You should really check out suspension before you make any unnecessary mods to panels, etc. I can't imagine why you'd rub with an 18" running a 245, since that's stock size, unless you are REALLY heavy in the back. Similar others' upgrades, I've been on 19"x9" running a 275 in the rear, on Progress ...and no rub.

Was it a constant rub or just over bumps, etc?
The rub was as soon as i pulled onto the street- again, it was the inner fender felt.. but man that tab is close.
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Originally Posted by joecurr View Post
There are several factors that can play a role between one person rubbing and another not. Bill, what is the width of your wheel? Not sure if it was mentioned or not. Tire brand also plays a role, not all tires are created equal. Keeping the same size but switching brands, you may find that you have more or less room between the fenders as some brands run narrow, some true, and some wide.

Before you make any modifications, try completely removing the fender liner. Pull your car parallel to a driveway (with a sidewalk), then reverse and parallel park so one side of the car is going up the sidewalk and the other is still in the street. Have someone watch so they can tell you when the compression reaches a max. This way you'll be able to check for fender clearance and potentially test rubbing before you cut/shave any metal, you may just have to trim the fender liner.

Here's an example of how I check for clearance. I compress the rear suspension more as I go further up the sidewalk, which makes the wheel tuck into the fender. As far as I know, this should be exactly how your suspension compresses under normal driving conditions so it should simulate any conditions where you'd rub.
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Great write up! Thanks for the pics and detailed explanation. I think you hit the winning run with tires not being made equal- These are Bridgestone Potenzas 245/45/R18V and a little taller, wider than my other...cant remembers. I've trimmed the tab, painted to protect from rusting, and checked the clearance again- under travel the tires will touch the fender liner (felt) but I'm leaving it alone from here, as it is only under compression now.
Still on the fence with the coilovers/springs/strut thing... but thats for another thread. Thanks to everyone for your input and advice!
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