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Old 01-28-2012, 09:26 PM   Thread Starter #1
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I'm going to install a pair of DLS OA8's in the rear deck. I've got two amps, one for the subs, and one old 5-channel for the front/rears. Sub amp is 300W RMS, 5-channel is 35Wx4 + 75Wx1 RMS, obviously won't be using the 5th channel. I'm figuring I'll mount the amps to the rear seats. Can anybody tell me how much power cable I'll need to run from the battery back to the trunk and what the best routing is for that cable?

I'm thinking I'll do this in 2 steps, as I don't have all the parts I want yet and it'll be a slow process to collect everything. Namely, I know I'll need a line-out converter to use the factory head unit. I'm thinking eventually I'll want an AudioControl LC6i, or similar. For now, I'll just go with something smaller and cheaper so I can get the subs installed and running. Then I'll deal with the fronts/rears down the line. Maybe something like this Scosche to tap into the factory sub feeds for the sub amp.

Never installed a 2-amp system before, so I've been reading some online. I'm assuming I'll need a distribution block to split the cable. I'm planning on a 4-gauge power to the distribution block in the trunk and 8-gauge from the distribution block to each amp. That's based on this: Recommended Power and Ground Cable Sizes & Speaker Wire Size and Length

I'm looking at a distribution block that has integrated fuses in it so I won't need an inline fuse. Something like this: 2 Way Distribution System

Any tips on this stuff? Mainly:
  1. Power cable length from battery to trunk
  2. Will the fused distribution block mentioned above work instead of an inline fuse?
  3. Will the cheaper line-out converter work to feed the sub amp?
  4. Any tips on mounting the subs? Bought a sheet of 1/2" MDF to start adapters.
  5. Is there a good source of a wiring diagram that graphically shows exactly how the factory Bose system is connected, including amp location? I know there's one amp under the rear deck, but is that a dedicated sub amp, or does that power all the factory speakers?

Thanks in advance.
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check it out. u need an amp kit.
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In your amplifier wiring kit, generally a red in color wire is the longest one(at least 15-20 ft), which is the 12v power wire. You need to pass the wire through the firewall. Start from the battery and pass on to the amplifier. However, do not connect the wire to the amplifier or battery yet. i would run it under the door sills all the way to the back.

ur line out converter will do.. i didnt have to pull out the whole head unit, i hooked somewhere near the rear windshield, saved me lots of time.., if ur going to to replace the speakers ur gunna need a new head unit. just saying..





2004 Nissan Maxima Car Radio Wiring Color Codes

Car Radio Battery Constant 12v+ Wire: Yellow
Car Radio Accessory Switched 12v+ Wire: Violet
Car Radio Ground Wire: Chassis
Car Radio Illumination Wire: Red/White
Car Stereo Dimmer Wire: Red/Yellow
Car Stereo Antenna Trigger Wire: Green/White
Car Stereo Amp Trigger Wire: Green/White
Car Stereo Amplifier Location: Full range amplifier is mounted under the rear deck. The subwoofer amp is attached to the subwoofer under the rear deck.
Car Audio Front Speakers Size: N/A
Car Audio Front Speakers Location: N/A
Left Front Speaker Positive Wire (+): White
Left Front Speaker Negative Wire (-): Black
Right Front Speaker Positive Wire (+): Green
Right Front Speaker Negative Wire (-): Red
Car Audio Rear Speakers Size: N/A
Car Audio Rear Speakers Location: N/A
Left Rear Speaker Positive Wire (+): Brown
Left Rear Speaker Negative Wire (-): Black/Red
Right Rear Speaker Positive Wire (+): Blue
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check it out. u need an amp kit.
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In your amplifier wiring kit, generally a red in color wire is the longest one(at least 15-20 ft), which is the 12v power wire. You need to pass the wire through the firewall. Start from the battery and pass on to the amplifier. However, do not connect the wire to the amplifier or battery yet. i would run it under the door sills all the way to the back.

ur line out converter will do.. i didnt have to pull out the whole head unit, i hooked somewhere near the rear windshield, saved me lots of time.., if ur going to to replace the speakers ur gunna need a new head unit. just saying..
Thanks for the input... I've already got most of the stuff in an amp kit. I'm looking at buying a length of power wire from Knukonceptz. Just need to know how much of it to buy. Knukonceptz product detail for KCA KABLE 4 GAUGE ULTRA FLEKS RED CCA POWER / GROUND CABLE

Really, all I'm lacking is the 4-gauge power cable and a distribution block. I've got signal cables, 8-gauge for the block->amp runs, speaker cable, etc etc. Don't want to buy an amp kit for doubles of stuff.
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I'd run 0 gauge from battery to the distribution block, then 4 GA to each amp. If you're running 2 amps, you do need all the power you can get
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I'd run 0 gauge from battery to the distribution block, then 4 GA to each amp. If you're running 2 amps, you do need all the power you can get
Makes sense... Think I could get by with 15ft? Is there a good spot to go through the firewall or will I have to drill for a grommet?
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Makes sense... Think I could get by with 15ft? Is there a good spot to go through the firewall or will I have to drill for a grommet?
I'd get at least 18'. You'd rather have more and cut it than to need more and not have it. Don't measure from a direct line from battery to trunk, you have to take into account the bends, twists, routing of the car under the carpeting before you get to the trunk.

You drill a hole where a 6 speed tranny clutch would be. If you look under your driver side dash, you'll see an oval or a circle shape area, to the left of the brake pedal mount. Drill the CENTER of that and put in a grommet. You might want to get some kind of oil or grease on the inside of that grommet for the wire to run through it with ease.
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Thanks guys...

I started working on this slowly, and I ran into a snag when trying to take out the factory subs. They put loctite in the threads of the bolts that hold the Bose subs to the brackets and I torqued the head off of one of the bolts on the left side. I tried to drill out the bolt, but I couldn't get it all out. A friend of mine at work has some taps that he's going to let me borrow to try to get it out, but I'm not sure if it'll work.

Do you think I'll need all 4 bolts on each sub? Might have to go to the stealership to get a new bracket. I think they're ~$30-35 each.

Also, should I caulk between the factory bracket and the MDF speaker rings? I've got some black silicone caulk I could use to seal it up.
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Thanks guys...

I started working on this slowly, and I ran into a snag when trying to take out the factory subs. They put loctite in the threads of the bolts that hold the Bose subs to the brackets and I torqued the head off of one of the bolts on the left side. I tried to drill out the bolt, but I couldn't get it all out. A friend of mine at work has some taps that he's going to let me borrow to try to get it out, but I'm not sure if it'll work.

Do you think I'll need all 4 bolts on each sub? Might have to go to the stealership to get a new bracket. I think they're ~$30-35 each.

Also, should I caulk between the factory bracket and the MDF speaker rings? I've got some black silicone caulk I could use to seal it up.
I'd be careful with the caulk...don't mount the subs until you are positive that it has cured. I've read before that the fumes from the caulk can damage the speaker cones...
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I'm not sure I'm going to caulk... If it's a bad idea, I won't. That's why I asked. Sounds like it's a bad idea.

How do you connect to the positive battery terminal in the Max?

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I'm not sure I'm going to caulk... If it's a bad idea, I won't. That's why I asked. Sounds like it's a bad idea.

How do you connect to the positive battery terminal in the Max?

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You will need to do some creative wiring. I went with an aftermarket battery terminal to make my connections.
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You still need a fuse underhood within 18inchs or so of the battery. This will protect the wire if it were to short out.
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Ok, so I've got nearly everything I need to do this now, except one thing. My amp kit didn't come with a firewall grommet. I'm running 0-gauge to the distribution block in the back. I'll only need one grommet, but nobody (car stereo shops) around here seems to have them for sale. Guess I'll have to place one more order.

One of the shops I talked to said that when they run cable that big, they run it outside the car and drill a hole in the trunk rather than putting it through the firewall. Anyone ever done this? Not sure how I'd keep it from sagging.

Amp kit came with a fuse holder & fuse, but thanks for the reminder.
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Ok, so I've got nearly everything I need to do this now, except one thing. My amp kit didn't come with a firewall grommet. I'm running 0-gauge to the distribution block in the back. I'll only need one grommet, but nobody (car stereo shops) around here seems to have them for sale. Guess I'll have to place one more order.

One of the shops I talked to said that when they run cable that big, they run it outside the car and drill a hole in the trunk rather than putting it through the firewall. Anyone ever done this? Not sure how I'd keep it from sagging.

Amp kit came with a fuse holder & fuse, but thanks for the reminder.
You don't need to buy a grommet. Remove the driver's side front fender liner and look inside the rear of the fender, at the firewall...there is a LARGE factory grommet with a small cable running through it. Poke a hole in that grommet and pull the cable through...

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You don't need to buy a grommet. Remove the driver's side front fender liner and look inside the rear of the fender, at the firewall...there is a LARGE factory grommet with a small cable running through it. Poke a hole in that grommet and pull the cable through...
Awesome. Thanks for the pics. That helps a lot!!! Really appreciate all the advice.
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You still need a fuse underhood within 18inchs or so of the battery. This will protect the wire if it were to short out.
I've got the fuse holder... Any tips on where to locate it? I'm completely stock under the hood. Looks like it'll be a tight squeeze.
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I have my fuse holder mounted to the plastic engine cover on the drivers side.
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I've got the fuse holder... Any tips on where to locate it? I'm completely stock under the hood. Looks like it'll be a tight squeeze.
I made a small "L" bracket with some angle iron that I had and bolted it to the battery tie-down.
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Man... How the heck do you get the plastic trim piece below the rear door that says "MAXIMA" off? It's the piece that holds down the carpet edge. Service manual calls it the rear kicking panel.

Where did you run the wire in the fender? I tried running it just to the inside of the white piece that covers the factory wiring, but that apparently blocks the fender liner from going back on.

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Do you have an aftermarket intake or the factory one? I have an aftermarket CAI and was able to run the wire up through the same way the CAI goes down into the fender. In your pic there, follow the fender on around to the front of the car and there should be an open area that leads into the engine compartment, near where the battery is. It comes up behind the headlight. If you have the factory air box in there, it may be a little harder to do, buy you still might be able to.

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Do you have an aftermarket intake or the factory one? I have an aftermarket CAI and was able to run the wire up through the same way the CAI goes down into the fender. In your pic there, follow the fender on around to the front of the car and there should be an open area that leads into the engine compartment, near where the battery is. It comes up behind the headlight. If you have the factory air box in there, it may be a little harder to do, buy you still might be able to.
I'm completely stock under the hood, so I've got the factory air box. I can get it through behind the headlight without problem - however, I'm not sure where the wire should run between that hole behind the headlight and the grommet. Running it where I did in the pic wouldn't allow me to get the fender liner back on due to the thickness of the wire. Any tips on the routing inside the fender?

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I'm completely stock under the hood, so I've got the factory air box. I can get it through behind the headlight without problem - however, I'm not sure where the wire should run between that hole behind the headlight and the grommet. Running it where I did in the pic wouldn't allow me to get the fender liner back on due to the thickness of the wire. Any tips on the routing inside the fender?
Mine's a 4 ga and I just rand it right on around the top of the fender toward the front. I didn't have any problems with the liner. I believe @1hawaii50 used a 0 ga, but he may be offline currently.
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Hmmm.... Did you zip-tie it to the factory wires that are up there?

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That's where I ran mine thru. It's a tight fit to put the fender guards but it's possible
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