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Old 01-29-2013, 03:43 AM   Thread Starter #1
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Default Need Some Coilover Help

hey guys so i want to go lower on my Z, teehehe and i was wondering, i know you can remove perches if the coilovers are maxed out but would it work if i just dropped the spring all the way down to the last perch, on my coilovers when theyre maxed out i still have about an inch of space between the spring and perch like this, would it be okay to just drop the spring all the way down to just lay the spring on the last perch?

@hero782 maybe you can help me out with advice?

this is how my front coilover looks maxed out (not my picture)
p.s thats a rear coilover but looks exactly the same as the front, i just used the picture for reference of the threaded space on the coilover that im talking about



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You only remove spring perches/locking collars if you have more room to lower the shock and the (spring perch and shock) locking collars are touching. If you lower the spring perch now, you won't have any pre-load on the spring and it'll ride like shiyat, which is why you lower the car by adjusting the shock, not the spring perch. The correct way to go lower using those same springs is to shorten the threaded portion of the shock insert to give you the room to adjust the shock lower.
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You only remove spring perches/locking collars if you have more room to lower the shock and the (spring perch and shock) locking collars are touching. If you lower the spring perch now, you won't have any pre-load on the spring and it'll ride like shiyat, which is why you lower the car by adjusting the shock, not the spring perch. The correct way to go lower using those same springs is to shorten the threaded portion of the shock insert to give you the room to adjust the shock lower.
I'm a little confused. When I try threading the shock body more it stops, the metal thread already hit the bottom of the black cup, what's the best way to get rid of that empty threaded space right there?
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Dude, come on seriously...
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Dude, come on seriously...
Don't worry, it's only temporary til I get my air suspension
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I dont know man...I hope you know what youre doing??? Good luck dude!!
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Default Re: Need Some Coilover Help

I'm not sure if I'm understanding your question. The pic you showed still has room to lower the car with no need to remove the perches. Now if there's no more room, you can remove the perches and it will lower more, I did this with my JICs. But my smart ass didn't notice the damper knob not having enough room between it and my CV boots, and well new axels were needed the following day lol.
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Originally Posted by hero782 View Post
I'm not sure if I'm understanding your question. The pic you showed still has room to lower the car with no need to remove the perches. Now if there's no more room, you can remove the perches and it will lower more, I did this with my JICs. But my smart ass didn't notice the damper knob not having enough room between it and my CV boots, and well new axels were needed the following day lol.
Lol !!! That sucks!! And okay let me try to be a little more clear I know it's kind of confusing. Remember when we installed my coils and you taught me how to lower the car with the coilovers on already? I had to rotate one of the collars in order for the thread to go down, well if you see the black cup (that sais stance) it's shorter than the thread so when I rotate the collar it doesn't go anymore because the thread already hit the bottom of the cup, so my question is how do I bring the spring lower to get rid of that threaded gap since I can't rotate the thread anymore because it already hit the bottom of the cup
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I'm a little confused. When I try threading the shock body more it stops, the metal thread already hit the bottom of the black cup, what's the best way to get rid of that empty threaded space right there?
If you can't thread the shock any lower, then that's the lowest you'll be able to go. You can't, or at least you shouldn't, get rid of that empty threaded space by lowering the spring perch because you will not have the required preload on the springs and the suspension will not function correctly. If you want to go lower correctly with those coils, you need a shorter length shock insert, which you might be able to order, or maybe you can get the bottom portion of the thread cut off (assuming its only thread and not required for shock travel.

When people remove perches/collars, it's usually when you CAN still thread the shock lower, BUT the collars are touching and preventing the shock from going lower. This means that the coils are maxed out because of the collars, not because the shock can't go lower.

IF you lower the spring perch, you'll be riding heavily on the shocks, the lower you go the more you'll be riding on shocks. I'd imagine that would severely reduce the life of them, as well as ride horribly.
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If you can't thread the shock any lower, then that's the lowest you'll be able to go. You can't, or at least you shouldn't, get rid of that empty threaded space by lowering the spring perch because you will not have the required preload on the springs and the suspension will not function correctly. If you want to go lower correctly with those coils, you need a shorter length shock insert, which you might be able to order, or maybe you can get the bottom portion of the thread cut off (assuming its only thread and not required for shock travel.

When people remove perches/collars, it's usually when you CAN still thread the shock lower, BUT the collars are touching and preventing the shock from going lower. This means that the coils are maxed out because of the collars, not because the shock can't go lower.

IF you lower the spring perch, you'll be riding heavily on the shocks, the lower you go the more you'll be riding on shocks. I'd imagine that would severely reduce the life of them, as well as ride horribly.


Ohhhh okay now it makes sense, but how do others slam their cars on these? I've seen Z's on forums that are LITERALLY touching the ground on 20's on these exact same coilovers (same model) without different length springs?
and I'm on 18's my ride should be lower by default in that case
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After doing a little reading, it seems at some point Stance changed the shock damper length to accommodate everyone wanting to go lower. It's not about the length of the spring, it's the total shock damper length. If there's more thread than needed, the shock is too long and isn't suitable for slamming.

And just as a visual, I saw this picture in a thread. THIS is when you remove locking collars to go lower. By removing the locking collars it gives you about 1/4" each to lower the shock, then the spring perch sits on the lower mount.

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After doing a little reading, it seems at some point Stance changed the shock damper length to accommodate everyone wanting to go lower. It's not about the length of the spring, it's the total shock damper length. If there's more thread than needed, the shock is too long and isn't suitable for slamming.

And just as a visual, I saw this picture in a thread. THIS is when you remove locking collars to go lower. By removing the locking collars it gives you about 1/4" each to lower the shock, then the spring perch sits on the lower mount.

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OHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! damnit i knew i wasnt wrong!!! is there any way i can shorten the shock damper?
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Did you buy them used or were they already on the car? It's possible you have a set before they shortened the shock length (that is IF Stance really did do that). Like I said, you MIGHT be able to grind/cut off a section of the lower thread, but you'll have to make sure it's hollow and isn't required for shock travel. You should probably contact Stance and see if they advise that or not, or see if anyone else with those coils has done that to get lower.
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Did you buy them used or were they already on the car? It's possible you have a set before they shortened the shock length (that is IF Stance really did do that). Like I said, you MIGHT be able to grind/cut off a section of the lower thread, but you'll have to make sure it's hollow and isn't required for shock travel. You should probably contact Stance and see if they advise that or not, or see if anyone else with those coils has done that to get lower.
i bought them used with less than 500 miles on them, the guy gave me the receipt of when he bought them and it was like 4 months before i bought them from him, i think ill contact stance and see what i can do, i just want to know i have the feature to go lower because right now im pretty much maxed out, im still pretty damn low but i would look to go lower someday soon
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I guess there are different versions of their coils, so check up on that too.
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