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okay so as some of you may of seen in my build thread i got spacers for my rear wheels. I also got new rear spc camber arms. Now heres the issue, My cars alignment is effed up so i need to take it this week for an alignment. But my alignment is so off that only one spacer fits (driver side) and the passanger side wont fit because my alignment is off and the fender lands on the tire when i take the car off the jack. So what do i do in order to fit my spacers before i get an aligment. I want to install my camber arms and spacers before i get an aligment. Do i just adjust my negative camber so my passenger side can fit and let the alignment shop take care of the rest? I want my tires to sit extremely flush to my fenders.

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You may just have to adjust it a little yourself so it fits until you're able to get the alignment.

The shop doing the alignment will know what specs it should be.
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James pretty much summed it up. Once you install everything you will need to simply play with it til you get it right. I would avoid driving it until you can get it aligned though once you can get everything installed and it doesn't sit on the tire. Is all you have is camber arms? Are there other parts available to adjust the toe and caster as well on the Z?
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okay so as some of you may of seen in my build thread i got spacers for my rear wheels. I also got new rear spc camber arms. Now heres the issue, My cars alignment is effed up so i need to take it this week for an alignment. But my alignment is so off that only one spacer fits (driver side) and the passanger side wont fit because my alignment is off and the fender lands on the tire when i take the car off the jack. So what do i do in order to fit my spacers before i get an aligment. I want to install my camber arms and spacers before i get an aligment. Do i just adjust my negative camber so my passenger side can fit and let the alignment shop take care of the rest? I want my tires to sit extremely flush to my fenders.

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Just put the arms in and dial in as much negative camber as you can to allow you to install the spacers. Competent allignment shop should do the rest for you. You are very low and with that you will always play the handling vs tire wear game.

The STOCK allignment numbers are designed for best tire wear compromising handling. If you want great handling you will sacrifice tire wear. In essence you want to dial in a bit more then OEM negative camber to handle better, but you will chew up tires.

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Originally Posted by Latinmaxima View Post
James pretty much summed it up. Once you install everything you will need to simply play with it til you get it right. I would avoid driving it until you can get it aligned though once you can get everything installed and it doesn't sit on the tire. Is all you have is camber arms? Are there other parts available to adjust the toe and caster as well on the Z?
yeah i forgot to add it comes with toe bolts to adjust the toe.
right when i finish installing the camber arms and spacers im literally driving to the alignment shop i dont want to drive more than a mile with a bad alignment, spacers and camber lol.

@officerfrasher so should i just max out my camber arm on the other side so the wheel can fit inside the fender and go straight to the alignment shop, do i have to mention to them that i want the wheel to sit as flush as possible etc?
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yeah i forgot to add it comes with toe bolts to adjust the toe.
right when i finish installing the camber arms and spacers im literally driving to the alignment shop i dont want to drive more than a mile with a bad alignment, spacers and camber lol.

@officerfrasher so should i just max out my camber arm on the other side so the wheel can fit inside the fender and go straight to the alignment shop, do i have to mention to them that i want the wheel to sit as flush as possible etc?
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Just put the arms in and dial in as much negative camber as you can to allow you to install the spacers. Competent allignment shop should do the rest for you. You are very low and with that you will always play the handling vs tire wear game.

The STOCK allignment numbers are designed for best tire wear compromising handling. If you want great handling you will sacrifice tire wear. In essence you want to dial in a bit more then OEM negative camber to handle better, but you will chew up tires.

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initially i care more about handling than tires, i can just buy new tires when theyre out, i just want the best mix of specs for my setup. hopefully the alignment place doesnt give me crap for my ride height
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sorry one more questions, do any of you know how to convert camber into inches?
My camber arms max out at -4 camber, does anybody know how many millimeters,centimeters or inches that will push the tire into the fender?
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It doesnt work like that Kenny. Thats is a virtual figure of the wheel not of the body line. By the way, -4 Negative camber pushes the wheel away from the fender not toward the fender. Negative camber looks like \ positive camber looks like / <- This being your wheel
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sorry one more questions, do any of you know how to convert camber into inches?
My camber arms max out at -4 camber, does anybody know how many millimeters,centimeters or inches that will push the tire into the fender?
I've seen people heavy in the stance game say each degree of camber will provide approximately 5mm. I can't verify it, but it sounds very reasonable. As people have already said, just add negative camber until it fits. Make sure you install that toe bolt and see if it looks like your toe is correct before the bolt maxes out. If it maxes out before your toe is corrected, you might need some toe links/arms, which you should be able to use since I believe you have true rear coilovers and your spring buckets should be empty. Your toe and caster should be within OEM spec, and if it isn't you'll need more parts.
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I've seen people heavy in the stance game say each degree of camber will provide approximately 5mm. I can't verify it, but it sounds very reasonable. As people have already said, just add negative camber until it fits. Make sure you install that toe bolt and see if it looks like your toe is correct before the bolt maxes out. If it maxes out before your toe is corrected, you might need some toe links/arms, which you should be able to use since I believe you have true rear coilovers and your spring buckets should be empty. Your toe and caster should be within OEM spec, and if it isn't you'll need more parts.
What's the bar that goes in place of the spring bucket? Toe arm right?
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What's the bar that goes in place of the spring bucket? Toe arm right?
Yes, those would be toe arms. If you have toe arms you don't need toe bolts.
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Yes, those would be toe arms. If you have toe arms you don't need toe bolts.
Oh okay, the spc camber arms I bought came with toe bolts but I think I'm going to get the toe arms to keep my alignment more in spec AND because the empty spring bucket bothers me lol
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Oh okay, the spc camber arms I bought came with toe bolts but I think I'm going to get the toe arms to keep my alignment more in spec AND because the empty spring bucket bothers me lol
Yeah you're better off with the toe arms then, that way you don't have to dremel out the hole for the toe bolt (which I believe should have came with a template for the hole). I wish I had true coilovers in the rear, but I'll stick with the BC's and SPC toe bolts.
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Guys I have a similar problem well idk about similar but yeah a problem. My car sits at -2 degrees on both rear sides and its on stock springs. Ive taken it to various alignment shops and all tell me it could have possibly been hit on the rear. One tells me to buy camber arms so I do and now what they tell me is that they can get the camber right but then the toe gets thrown off. Then if they adjust toe the camber is back at being negative. I dont really mind it but when the car is full of family or luggage it literally looks like 1 inch off the ground and the wheels look pretty crooked. So can I order toe and possibly have the issue fixed or am I stuck with it?

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Kenny,Kenny,Kenny... You worrying me with this car of yours....

This is a daily driver, not a trailer queen. You're going to do some serious damage if you continue to drive it slammed like this.
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Kenny,Kenny,Kenny... You worrying me with this car of yours....

This is a daily driver, not a trailer queen. You're going to do some serious damage if you continue to drive it slammed like this.
lol im not lowering it anymore i just got camber arms to correct my alignment
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Guys I have a similar problem well idk about similar but yeah a problem. My car sits at -2 degrees on both rear sides and its on stock springs. Ive taken it to various alignment shops and all tell me it could have possibly been hit on the rear. One tells me to buy camber arms so I do and now what they tell me is that they can get the camber right but then the toe gets thrown off. Then if they adjust toe the camber is back at being negative. I dont really mind it but when the car is full of family or luggage it literally looks like 1 inch off the ground and the wheels look pretty crooked. So can I order toe and possibly have the issue fixed or am I stuck with it?

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A little confused. Are you saying that after installing the camber arms, they are able to get your camber within spec but not the toe? If that's the case, you might need something like the SPC toe bolts. The toe bolts require you to extend the hole where the spring bucket bolts to the subframe. The toe bolts allow more movement of the spring bucket, thus allowing more adjustment of toe.
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okay update on this project

I installed my camber arms, and got an aligment. the passenger side toe is still off WTF is going on i tried adding the spacers after maxing out my camber arms but the toe goes wayyyyy off, i didnt install the toe bolts because i doubt theyll make that much of a difference, does this mean i need toe arms? and if so what brands are good, i dont want too shell out $300 for spl

would raising the rear about .5 of an inch help with my toe issue and make it less bad?
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Default Re: I Have A Somewhat Urgent Alignment Question

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You may just have to adjust it a little yourself so it fits until you're able to get the alignment.

The shop doing the alignment will know what specs it should be.
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okay update on this project

I installed my camber arms, and got an aligment. the passenger side toe is still off WTF is going on i tried adding the spacers after maxing out my camber arms but the toe goes wayyyyy off, i didnt install the toe bolts because i doubt theyll make that much of a difference, does this mean i need toe arms? and if so what brands are good, i dont want too shell out $300 for spl

would raising the rear about .5 of an inch help with my toe issue and make it less bad?
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The stock bolts don't give much room for adjusting toe. Take a bit of time to understand why you can't get your toe in spec. Pretend the camber arm is the same length as stock, and remember the pivot point of the wheel is at the hub. Since the stock toe bolts don't give much room to move the spring bucket, let's just pretend it can't be adjusted. Now you extend the camber arm to get more negative camber. But the spring bucket is still the same length and attaches to the rearward side of the hub, so there are actually 2 pivot points and the bottom of the wheel doesn't just rotate out, the front or rear will rotate in thus creating toe. To adjust the toe, you either need to decrease the camber, move the spring bucket (requires drilling and installation of the SPC toe bolts), or change the length of the spring bucket. The toe arms function is equivalent of changing the length of the spring bucket.

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I'm not sure how much the SPC toe bolts allow you to adjust toe, but it's dependent on how much the hole is widened. Raising the car should help, but if 1/2" will be enough to get your toe in spec with the stock bolts, I don't know. Battle Version is a good company, and they have toe links (arms) for $175. I have their camber arms (some 350z rear suspension parts are swappable with ours), and they look to be very good quality.

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Default Re: I Have A Somewhat Urgent Alignment Question

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The stock bolts don't give much room for adjusting toe. Take a bit of time to understand why you can't get your toe in spec. Pretend the camber arm is the same length as stock, and remember the pivot point of the wheel is at the hub. Since the stock toe bolts don't give much room to move the spring bucket, let's just pretend it can't be adjusted. Now you extend the camber arm to get more negative camber. But the spring bucket is still the same length and attaches to the rearward side of the hub, so there are actually 2 pivot points and the bottom of the wheel doesn't just rotate out, the front or rear will rotate in thus creating toe. To adjust the toe, you either need to decrease the camber, move the spring bucket (requires drilling and installation of the SPC toe bolts), or change the length of the spring bucket. The toe arms function is equivalent of changing the length of the spring bucket.



I'm not sure how much the SPC toe bolts allow you to adjust toe, but it's dependent on how much the hole is widened. Raising the car should help, but if 1/2" will be enough to get your toe in spec with the stock bolts, I don't know. Battle Version is a good company, and they have toe links (arms) for $175. I have their camber arms (some 350z rear suspension parts are swappable with ours), and they look to be very good quality.
Im guessing me and kenny have the same issue just that my car isn't slammed to the ground? Would the same process go to me to correct the toe?
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Default Re: I Have A Somewhat Urgent Alignment Question

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The stock bolts don't give much room for adjusting toe. Take a bit of time to understand why you can't get your toe in spec. Pretend the camber arm is the same length as stock, and remember the pivot point of the wheel is at the hub. Since the stock toe bolts don't give much room to move the spring bucket, let's just pretend it can't be adjusted. Now you extend the camber arm to get more negative camber. But the spring bucket is still the same length and attaches to the rearward side of the hub, so there are actually 2 pivot points and the bottom of the wheel doesn't just rotate out, the front or rear will rotate in thus creating toe. To adjust the toe, you either need to decrease the camber, move the spring bucket (requires drilling and installation of the SPC toe bolts), or change the length of the spring bucket. The toe arms function is equivalent of changing the length of the spring bucket.

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I'm not sure how much the SPC toe bolts allow you to adjust toe, but it's dependent on how much the hole is widened. Raising the car should help, but if 1/2" will be enough to get your toe in spec with the stock bolts, I don't know. Battle Version is a good company, and they have toe links (arms) for $175. I have their camber arms (some 350z rear suspension parts are swappable with ours), and they look to be very good quality.


Yeah I see exactly what you're talking about I realized what was happening today as I was messing with it, ill just raise my car so I won't need too much camber to let the wheels fit, and not that much camber will maybe get my toe a little more fixed, thanks sooooooo much for all the help dude!
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