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Old 09-24-2010, 02:48 PM   Thread Starter #1
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Default Brake Pad Shims And Rotor Question

I recently replaced my brake pads with some Wagner Thermoquiet pads and noticed that they squeaked just about every time I came to a complete stop. I thought they would eventually stop squeaking but about a month later it is the same.

Heres my question, Would the brake pads not having the metal shims on the back of the pads cause this?
I didn't realize I had to transfer them over

Another thing is that I'm pretty sure my rotors are warped because I do feel a shake/shudder at the steering wheel when I stop hard enough. Could this be the cause of the squeaking?
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Old 09-30-2010, 01:04 AM   #2
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Is it a semi-metallic brake pad? Cause mine does the same thing and I've read that it's normal for it to squeak.
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Old 09-30-2010, 01:29 AM   Thread Starter #3
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Default Re: Brake Pad Shims And Rotor Question

I remember they were ceramic not sure about semi-metallic. If this type of squeak is normal, then the pads are horrible. They do it just about every single time I stop. I guess I will have to try replacing the front rotors and see if that helps. Its about that time for them anyway.

I heard not having shims may cause the pads to make a noise but I doubt its the noise I'm hearing
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Old 09-30-2010, 01:32 AM   #4
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What kind of noise is it? Like anything specific....I know it's a squeak but what kind of squeak?
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Old 09-30-2010, 01:32 AM   Thread Starter #5
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Default Re: Brake Pad Shims And Rotor Question

http://www.familycar.com/store/item/..._WAGQC969.html

I'm pretty sure these are the ones I got. I don't see anything about semi-metallic but even if they were I would expect less noise then what I have now.
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Old 09-30-2010, 01:34 AM   #6
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I'm not an expert or anything but there's people here that do know though.
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Old 09-30-2010, 01:35 AM   #7
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Default Re: Brake Pad Shims And Rotor Question

They might be out or something and the sound your hearing is your rotors being messed up.
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Old 09-30-2010, 01:36 AM   Thread Starter #8
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Default Re: Brake Pad Shims And Rotor Question

It sounds like I'm running low on pads. The main reason I think its the rotors is because when I brake hard enough my steering wheel shakes and the noise usually is gone with hard braking.
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Default Re: Brake Pad Shims And Rotor Question

That's definitely not a good thing man............I'm surprised that nobody has chimed in on this one yet.

But, I think your rotors might be f k'd.
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Old 09-30-2010, 10:55 AM   Thread Starter #10
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Default Re: Brake Pad Shims And Rotor Question

Yea pretty much what I was thinking. I read somewhere that not having the shims might cause the pads to resonate kinda like a violin but Im pretty sure this is coming from where the pad makes contact with the rotor.
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Old 09-30-2010, 10:56 AM   Thread Starter #11
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O yea, Nissan wants like 50 bucks for the shim kit lol. So I doubt I will be buying that to see if thats the problem
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Default Re: Brake Pad Shims And Rotor Question

If you have a shudder in the wheel when breaking...then your rotors are warped. Either get them turned, or replace them, or live with it until the next brake job. As far as the noise, if you have ceramic pads, then they are NOT semi-metallic...they are ceramic. They should be quiet, and produce less dust. If you are getting noise, it could be due to the shims being missing. Your local auto store should sell some stuff that you can spread onto the back of the pads to stop the noise. The stuff my stores carry is a thick blue paste. You squeeze it out of the pack, onto the back of the pads, and then spread it around with your finger to coat the back of the pad. You can put it anywhere that the pad lining makes contact with the bracket...not sure of the exact name of it.
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Default Re: Brake Pad Shims And Rotor Question

I replaced my worn pads with the cheapest pads they had at Autozone. They squeaked like a mofo. So I swapped them out again for some Wagner Thermoquiets pads. Went away for a bit but the squeak came back. Finally I just bought some new rotors and the noise stopped. Cross drilled and slotted to be exact. The old rotors had micro cracks on the entire surface which I couldnt see until I took them off to look at them up close.

FYI Wagner Thermoquiet pads do not need shims. ThermoQuiet brake pads eliminate the conventional brake shim by integrating the friction material, backing plate and insulator into a high-strength one-piece component.
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I replaced my worn pads with the cheapest pads they had at Autozone. They squeaked like a mofo. So I swapped them out again for some Wagner Thermoquiets pads. Went away for a bit but the squeak came back. Finally I just bought some new rotors and the noise stopped. Cross drilled and slotted to be exact. The old rotors had micro cracks on the entire surface which I couldnt see until I took them off to look at them up close.

FYI Wagner Thermoquiet pads do not need shims. ThermoQuiet brake pads eliminate the conventional brake shim by integrating the friction material, backing plate and insulator into a high-strength one-piece component.
Cool so that narrows it down to the rotors. I should be able to replace them within a week or two. Good looking on all the help.
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Rotors are def warped causing the steering wheel shake as stated by others.... I have wagner thermoquiet pads and they work great.. no squeaking. Change the rotors and you'll be good to go.. you should be at least!
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Stack - Definately replace your rotors.
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Will do and I'll keep you guys updated
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If money is an issue, see if you can get them turned. That should at least take the warp out of them.
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Well my boy works at a shop and he was able to find the front rotor for around $32 each and the rear for around $16 each. Im thinking it may cost the same or more to re-machine the rotors right?
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Last time I had a rotor turned, I believe it was $10-$15 bucks per rotor.
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If they are warped then getting them resurfaced will be a waste of money because they will return back to the warped shape. I know from experience.
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Yea the regular rotors are not much anyways so I'll just replace them. Maybe next time I need brakes I'll upgrade to better rotors but for now I just want this squeak fixed without spending much more.
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wow , totally sorry that I miss this thread,

My cousin is running these same cermanic pads in his VR4 , No sqeeeks, you Need to put the shims back in there, thats whats making the noise, For extra precautions, I smeared a a thin layer of brake quiet on the shims.

VR4 is making alot of power and it stops and grabs very hard, no sqeeks at all.

so shims and probally new rotors if they are warpped.
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Sorry I never got back to this thread but after replacing all the rotors the squeaks have disapeared. Also my steering does not shudder when braking hard. Of course I still hear the usually squeaks like in the morning but it has gone from 9 out of 10 times to 1-10 times that they will squeak. Thanks for all the help!
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I recently replaced my brake pads with some Wagner Thermoquiet pads and noticed that they squeaked just about every time I came to a complete stop. I thought they would eventually stop squeaking but about a month later it is the same.

Heres my question, Would the brake pads not having the metal shims on the back of the pads cause this?
I didn't realize I had to transfer them over

Another thing is that I'm pretty sure my rotors are warped because I do feel a shake/shudder at the steering wheel when I stop hard enough. Could this be the cause of the squeaking?
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