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Old 09-22-2011, 10:41 PM   Thread Starter #1
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Default Altima SE-R RSB on Maxima 2005

Hi guys!
I saw a number of topics about Altima SE-R front sway bar on 6th gen Maxima, but nobody told about RSB. Looks like it could be better solution vs Progress: 27 mm vs 24 mm, actually, this is a re-branded NISMO RSB.
Did anybody try it? I think it should perfectly fit my 2005 SE. Am I right?
All opinions are greatly appreciated.
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its not that no one talks about it, everyone jumps on the progress RSB.

The nismo package Front and Rear from the SE-R will work.
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Progess FTW!! Some people have done both and worked out well.
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its not that no one talks about it, everyone jumps on the progress RSB.
Thank you for reply. But why Progress is better?

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The nismo package Front and Rear from the SE-R will work.
But why SE-R will not? The only reason what I see is possible oversteer due to increased stiffness. Nismo bars work at the same time, so sway bars will compensate one another.

Am I right that everybody went to Progress due to higher oversteer?

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I have Progress, love it.
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Default Re: Altima SE-R RSB on Maxima 2005

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Thank you for reply. But why Progress is better?


But why SE-R will not? The only reason what I see is possible oversteer due to increased stiffness. Nismo bars work at the same time, so sway bars will compensate one another.

Am I right that everybody went to Progress due to higher oversteer?
Because progress introduce the product WAY before anyone discover that the L31 (Altima) had the same suspension chassis as a A34 Maxima.

the Nismo were a bit harder to find , and your paying for the name really.

the progress and nismo rear are the same thickness IIRC.

I have the Nismo front and progress , cant be any happier , in the end its your choice , no two are better as its an improvement over the stock bar
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Default Re: Altima SE-R RSB on Maxima 2005

sorry if this is off topic, but it's still about the altima RSB. It's a question I always have been curious about. Could another company that makes RSB for the altima also work with our maximas? I would imagine so since the nismo do but that's just a guess.
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Originally Posted by bdmaxima View Post
sorry if this is off topic, but it's still about the altima RSB. It's a question I always have been curious about. Could another company that makes RSB for the altima also work with our maximas? I would imagine so since the nismo do but that's just a guess.
serious?

ask that question again to yourself and reallllllllllllly think about it this time lol.

im just being a ass but really bd? lol
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sorry if this is off topic, but it's still about the altima RSB. It's a question I always have been curious about. Could another company that makes RSB for the altima also work with our maximas? I would imagine so since the nismo do but that's just a guess.
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Default Re: Altima SE-R RSB on Maxima 2005

Guys, please, correct me if I am wrong. I am not attacking anybody. But I don't see any sense in Progress sway bar. My main concern is thickness. It is same with OEM. The fact that Progress is solid and OEM is hollow, is not inportant, IMO. Stiffness is provided by outside, not inside material. To illustrate this feature just look on a regular rail. It is not a rectangle, but something like ")(", central material is taken out. I suspect the difference between OEM and Progress stabilizers will be 5-10%, not more (if same material is used).
So the only thing that could make difference is more stiff metal. But I am really not sure that it differs so-o-o much...

Once again, I am not blaming Progress product(s).
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my first supension mod was kyb's / progress springs and the progress rear bar. near my house is a bunch of twisties and it was a hell of a difference. also a hollow bar compared to a solid bar will make a world of difference when it comes to stress and flexing of supension componets. thats why tie rods are not hollow
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my first supension mod was kyb's / progress springs and the progress rear bar. near my house is a bunch of twisties and it was a hell of a difference. also a hollow bar compared to a solid bar will make a world of difference when it comes to stress and flexing of supension componets. thats why tie rods are not hollow
I am not sure that this is a fair comparison. I had Eibach springs and GR-2 on this car, so I have some experience with it. Springs and new shocks changed handling most of all, IMO. But I could be wrong...
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Guys, please, correct me if I am wrong. I am not attacking anybody. But I don't see any sense in Progress sway bar. My main concern is thickness. It is same with OEM. The fact that Progress is solid and OEM is hollow, is not inportant, IMO. Stiffness is provided by outside, not inside material. To illustrate this feature just look on a regular rail. It is not a rectangle, but something like ")(", central material is taken out. I suspect the difference between OEM and Progress stabilizers will be 5-10%, not more (if same material is used).
So the only thing that could make difference is more stiff metal. But I am really not sure that it differs so-o-o much...

Once again, I am not blaming Progress product(s).
The formula (a greatly simplified one is all you need to get a ratio of stiffness between two different bars) is:

[RelativeStiffness] = [OutsideDiameter]^4 - [InsideDiameter]^4

This also works for a solid bar, you just use zero for [InsideDiameter].


So no, a hollow bar is not stiffer than a solid bar of the same diameter. A hollow bar is more efficient in terms of its stiffness compared to its weight,
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Originally Posted by bdmaxima View Post
sorry if this is off topic, but it's still about the altima RSB. It's a question I always have been curious about. Could another company that makes RSB for the altima also work with our maximas? I would imagine so since the nismo do but that's just a guess.
I guess......
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BD, if the aftermarket altima bars are the same exact size as the SER bars then yes.
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So no, a hollow bar is not stiffer than a solid bar of the same diameter.
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A hollow bar is more efficient in terms of its stiffness compared to its weight,
Yes again. Loosing tiny amount of stiffness, Nissan provided more light weighted sway bar. So this is a key of my doubts: is it worth to change a sway bar if difference is insignificant? Having +3 mm in diameter of Nismo probably be much better, IMO. One more interesting question is why Progress decided not to increase an outside diameter of their bars? Why they decided to make them exactly same size as OEM?
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Absolutely correct.

Yes again. Loosing tiny amount of stiffness, Nissan provided more light weighted sway bar. So this is a key of my doubts: is it worth to change a sway bar if difference is insignificant? Having +3 mm in diameter of Nismo probably be much better, IMO. One more interesting question is why Progress decided not to increase an outside diameter of their bars? Why they decided to make them exactly same size as OEM?
Progress didn't increase the O'D' because they increase wall thickness of the bar.

its whats on the inside thickness that counts,and stiffens the rear suspension for you to corner, the weigh is transfer and spread thru the bar, thus why they thicken the wall but kept the outside O'D close to OEM as possiable.

Rememeber Stillen basically re-brand by Progress.

The Altima SE-R sway bar are within 1mm of the Nismo sway bars, but the OEM SE-R bars are hollow again.

the Nismo package was just an increase of the SE-R , since the SE-R sway bars had bigger O'D , Nismo went off an increase of SE-R thus why its much thicker than the progress Maxima ones.

I hope this makes sense as Nismo never intended it for a Maxima.

Nismo was making an improvment on the Altima SE-R

Progress/Stillen was making improvements on the Maxima.

Remember what your discovering or thinking about NOW, happen since 2003-2004 when these companies are just doing R&D

Like all car companys like Honda / Nissan , they never want to tell the consumers parts are interchangeable, they make you purchase the parts.

What you pay for a Maxima part may be cheaper for an Altima part (Example)

you bring a good topic , as you touch on the subject , but being the Maxima been out since 04 , most members since then had already had the progress bar on , until people started sharing info and cross reference part #s.

the Nismo bar was discovered IIRC by someone that own a Maxima that worked @ Nissan and had the bars side by side. Then attempted the installed and the discovery was made.

Now , as far as 27mm VS 24mm

As anyone can see , I would go 27mm but Ive had my bar for so long that any aftermarket bar will make an improvement.

any car combo with lowering springs, rear sway bars, camber arms and toe arms , and tie rod ends will make the car handle 10x better than factory.
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