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Old 10-12-2011, 04:35 PM   Thread Starter #1
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Default ABS Actuating Under Normal Braking

OK, I just recently noticed this shortly after replacing my front brakes with the Wilwood kit. Under normal braking, I can feel the ABS kick in. It isn't every time, it is intermittent. I don't feel it through the steering wheel, but I can feel it in the pedal, and if it is quiet enough, I can hear it. As I apply the brakes and the car is coming to a stop, I'll feel the ABS vibration in the brake pedal, just briefly, then it goes away. There are no CEL, or ABS lights on.

I know there is a TSB on this, but the bulletin requires replacing the ABS sensor, along with the cap. Can I perform the TSB myself, just cleaning the hub and sensor, or is the replacement mandatory? I have an extended warranty, but I have a feeling the dealership isn't going to go anywhere near this under warranty because of the front Wilwoods. RockAuto has the rear ABS sensors for about $125 each.
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I had this problem a couple of months ago, check your speed sensors behind the wheels, make sure they are all yhe way in the little slot they go in. I took mine to the dealer and they said maybe the rotors were warped so I bought rotors and brakes and the while time the speed sensor got knocked out of place when I slammed in brakes to avoida bad driver.
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Default Re: ABS Actuating Under Normal Braking

I would go with the DIY cheaper latter and pull all 4 ABS sensors out, inspect if theres any metal shavings and clean them.

which ever wheel has the shavings , you'll need to inspect the hub/bearings.

on my5th gen, I had the bearings come apart slowly and it got caught up in the hub and damage the tip of the sensor, the bearing shavings slowly was breaking apart and cause the issue.

in your case since you just recently change the FRONTS , I would start there first, I was going to say Brake Bias but I haven't had an issue with my Z calipers so this rules that out.
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Old 10-13-2011, 09:29 AM   Thread Starter #4
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Default Re: ABS Actuating Under Normal Braking

Originally Posted by NiZMo1o1 View Post
I would go with the DIY cheaper latter and pull all 4 ABS sensors out, inspect if theres any metal shavings and clean them.

which ever wheel has the shavings , you'll need to inspect the hub/bearings.

on my5th gen, I had the bearings come apart slowly and it got caught up in the hub and damage the tip of the sensor, the bearing shavings slowly was breaking apart and cause the issue.

in your case since you just recently change the FRONTS , I would start there first, I was going to say Brake Bias but I haven't had an issue with my Z calipers so this rules that out.
Alan,

Do the sensors come out pretty easily, or am I going to break it trying to get it out once it's unbolted? On my Taurus, and my buddy's GTi, I had to break them to get them out of the hub...they were "seized" into the hub...

Also, if I have it checked for codes, will it have anything stored since the ABS light isn't on? Just wondering if I can narrow down which sensor is the culprit...
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Have you checked out the TSB (NTB07-016b). It discusses an issue with the notch needing to be cut out of the knuckle in order to properly allow the mating surfaces of the bearing and hub assembly onto the knuckle face. It also says to replace the ABS sensor as EVERY time you touch one they recommend replacing it (Bullshit in my opinion). I recommend giving it a look...
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Default Re: ABS Actuating Under Normal Braking

Don , I know Ive pull them out quite a few times on my6th gen very easy.

IIRC its a 12mm or 10mm bolt that holds them in, spray it down with some brake cleaner , you shouldnt have any issues unless the sensor BROKE or SEIZED up inside , which I normally see cars 15 years and older

as for Post #5 I never heard of this method before, but its a Nissan TSB so this also could be a solution Don.
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Default Re: ABS Actuating Under Normal Braking

Originally Posted by firesice18 View Post
Have you checked out the TSB (NTB07-016b). It discusses an issue with the notch needing to be cut out of the knuckle in order to properly allow the mating surfaces of the bearing and hub assembly onto the knuckle face. It also says to replace the ABS sensor as EVERY time you touch one they recommend replacing it (Bullshit in my opinion). I recommend giving it a look...
Thanks for the info...I'm aware of the bulletin...I referenced it in the first post.

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Don , I know Ive pull them out quite a few times on my6th gen very easy.

IIRC its a 12mm or 10mm bolt that holds them in, spray it down with some brake cleaner , you shouldnt have any issues unless the sensor BROKE or SEIZED up inside , which I normally see cars 15 years and older

as for Post #5 I never heard of this method before, but its a Nissan TSB so this also could be a solution Don.
Thanks Alan, hopefully I'll get to it before the weather turns to crap!
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Default Re: ABS Actuating Under Normal Braking

good luck Don !

I keep forgetting your up North ( when you said hopefully before the weather turns crap ) as I was reading this , I was just outside my house sweating a storm and just came in sitting in front of a fan and A/C
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good luck Don !

I keep forgetting your up North ( when you said hopefully before the weather turns crap ) as I was reading this , I was just outside my house sweating a storm and just came in sitting in front of a fan and A/C
I'm hoping that it is just coincidence that it started after the caliper swap, and that it isn't related. If I need new sensors, I'm going to try my luck at the stealership since I'm still under warranty...I'm sure they won't honor it, but I'll have to at least check.
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I'm hoping that it is just coincidence that it started after the caliper swap, and that it isn't related. If I need new sensors, I'm going to try my luck at the stealership since I'm still under warranty...I'm sure they won't honor it, but I'll have to at least check.
well I know you don't want to hear this but if you end up going back to the stealership, it may be worth slapping your old calipers back on.

see if that fix the issue, if not then at least stealership can work on your brakes without them trying to run around the issue with wilwood(aftermarket) calipers ?
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well I know you don't want to hear this but if you end up going back to the stealership, it may be worth slapping your old calipers back on.

see if that fix the issue, if not then at least stealership can work on your brakes without them trying to run around the issue with wilwood(aftermarket) calipers ?
Too late Alan, the stockers were sold...
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Alan,

Do the sensors come out pretty easily, or am I going to break it trying to get it out once it's unbolted? On my Taurus, and my buddy's GTi, I had to break them to get them out of the hub...they were "seized" into the hub...

Also, if I have it checked for codes, will it have anything stored since the ABS light isn't on? Just wondering if I can narrow down which sensor is the culprit...
I usually hit speed sensors with a little bit of PB blaster and let it sit for about 5-10 mins before I start messing with it.. A little but of PB goes a long way.. Hope this helps and good luck..
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well I know you don't want to hear this but if you end up going back to the stealership, it may be worth slapping your old calipers back on.

see if that fix the issue, if not then at least stealership can work on your brakes without them trying to run around the issue with wilwood(aftermarket) calipers ?
I was at the stealership today to get my wife's tires balanced on her Altima, and I asked the service manager about the TSB for the Maxima rear ABS hub/sensors. He said that the front Wilwoods would not void the warranty for the rear sensors. He then told me that to perform the TSB, I would have to pay for the hub cleaning, as it is not a warranty issue, but if any of the ABS sensors need to be replaced, then they would cover it. I asked how much for the hub cleaning...wait for it...$400... SERIOUSLY!!??????

I know what I'll be doing next weekend....
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I was at the stealership today to get my wife's tires balanced on her Altima, and I asked the service manager about the TSB for the Maxima rear ABS hub/sensors. He said that the front Wilwoods would not void the warranty for the rear sensors. He then told me that to perform the TSB, I would have to pay for the hub cleaning, as it is not a warranty issue, but if any of the ABS sensors need to be replaced, then they would cover it. I asked how much for the hub cleaning...wait for it...$400... SERIOUSLY!!??????

I know what I'll be doing next weekend....
Does the $400 include the lube?
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OK, I just recently noticed this shortly after replacing my front brakes with the Wilwood kit. Under normal braking, I can feel the ABS kick in. It isn't every time, it is intermittent. I don't feel it through the steering wheel, but I can feel it in the pedal, and if it is quiet enough, I can hear it. As I apply the brakes and the car is coming to a stop, I'll feel the ABS vibration in the brake pedal, just briefly, then it goes away. There are no CEL, or ABS lights on.

I know there is a TSB on this, but the bulletin requires replacing the ABS sensor, along with the cap. Can I perform the TSB myself, just cleaning the hub and sensor, or is the replacement mandatory? I have an extended warranty, but I have a feeling the dealership isn't going to go anywhere near this under warranty because of the front Wilwoods. RockAuto has the rear ABS sensors for about $125 each.
Def DIY man , avoid the BS the dealer will give you . A bit of money outta pocket but save your self from getting pist off with the dealer .
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Does the $400 include the lube?
Dealer ship smokes A LOT OF GOOD STUFF !! They can have that
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Does the $400 include the lube?
nah I think they straight raw dog him , no lube , just bend over and touch your toes and wait for penetration !
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I'm absolutely amazed at the fact that the dirty hubs are the cause of the problem. I was told when the salesman sold me the extended warranty that it was an extension of the bumper-bumper factory warranty....right! If the dirty hubs are causing an ABS problem, then how is cleaning the hubs NOT covered by warranty? So they will cover the sensor, but NOT the reason the sensor went bad?

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Hawaii, i just went to the same problems, you will need a 12mm socket to get them out and since they are so easy to take out , you might as well do all 4 of them, i have my actuator replaced once and it just went bad again, lol
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Hawaii, i just went to the same problems, you will need a 12mm socket to get them out and since they are so easy to take out , you might as well do all 4 of them, i have my actuator replaced once and it just went bad again, lol
Kenji,

Did you do them yourself? You don't have to pull the hub off of the car, you can do it right on the car, right?
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Kenji,

Did you do them yourself? You don't have to pull the hub off of the car, you can do it right on the car, right?
yes, i did them myself with some guidance from nismo 101, you don't have to remove the hub to clean the sensors
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yes, i did them myself with some guidance from nismo 101, you don't have to remove the hub to clean the sensors
Did you have to replace anything, or did you just clean and re-use the old parts? Also, did you drill a "weep" hole, or did you just cut a notch like the TSB says?
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Did you have to replace anything, or did you just clean and re-use the old parts? Also, did you drill a "weep" hole, or did you just cut a notch like the TSB says?
I just cleaned mine with some brake cleaner and that solved the problem, until my actuator failed
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It only gets better. After a 10 hour nightmare yesterday, I get everything cleaned and back together. This morning I go to run to the credit union, and the car won't go over 20mph. At 20mph, it loses power and sputters like crazy and the RPMS run up to about 3500rpm. The service manager told me this could happen if I didn't get the sensors/hubs cleaned. Other than towing it to the dealer, what's my next step? Do I replace both rear hubs? Both ABS sensors? I still don't have any ABS/BRAKE lights on... I've got an appointment Monday morning at the stealership, I'm going to have to have this towed up there hopefully tomorrow if I can't figure it out. Since I cleaned the hubs, I'm sure they are not going to cover ANYTHING under the warranty now...
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